Recording in Millenium

[krazykanuck]

I have the try before you buy version loaded now and trying to give the program a good workout.
My understanding is that I am better off recording at the best quality level I can before starting the cleanup process despite the final resolution (CD quality).
My soundcard, terratec DMX6fire, supports 24/96 output. The recording options box shows sampling frequencies up to 48 then there is custom. The same box in DC6 allows you to select upto 192.
If I select custom and then 96 as the sampling frequency will it be recording at 96 or is millenium restricted to 48?
Also am I right in wanting to record at the highest quality before I start cleaning or does it make a difference?

Thanks

[Dan McDonald]

Hello Krazy -

I don't know your soundcard, but DC6 can record at 96kHz without a problem. If you're doing restoration work, then I'd recommend 24bit, 96kHz to give the filters more to work with.

Dan

[Craig Maier]

I do not think that 192 KHz sampling is necessary, but improvements in filtering can be had with 96 KHz. The limit for DC6 is 192 KHz. I am not sure of the limit for Millennium.

[krazykanuck]

Does anyone know what the limit is for Millenium.
As I said I can choose custom and key in 96 but just wanted to know if it will actually record at that rate or will it max out at 48 which is the highest preset available.

Thanks

[Craig Maier]

If you key it in, and the system records, then it is only a matter of how the sound card handles it. Good sound cards handle it as a 96 KHz digitization. Cheaper ones emulate 96 KHz and really record at 48 KHz. So, the limitation is the soundcard, not the software in this case.

[krazykanuck]

Thanks again
My card is true 24/96 so I guess I'll see what happens.

[krazykanuck]

Apparently there is a limitation in the software.
I recorded a piece at 24/96. When I try and play it I get the following message:

The specified format is not supported or cannot be translated. Use the Capabilities function to determine the supported formats.

I have the DC6 demo loaded so I took a 60 second sample and it plays just fine in DC6. The info at the bottom of the DC6 screen shows the file as stereo 96.0kHz 24 Bits.

So the question is should Millenium be able to play the file?

[Craig Maier]

The answer to this simple question, is unfortunately, quite complicated and involves the interaction of MME sound card drivers, emulators and the software. The answer really is "it depends" on a lot of variables.

Since Millennium was written in 1999, and the newer driver standard has since become WDM rather than MME, I would recommend to anyone wanting to work in sampling rates up to 192 KHz and 24 or 32 bits, that you should really purchase the DC6 version. DC6 supports both MME's and WDM drivers and is more universal in terms of its compatability with sound card drivers at their extremes of operation.

[krazykanuck]

Thanks

Not exactly what I was hoping to hear but I understand.
I did think millenium was a newer product and was a little suprised when you said it was written in 1999.

The reason I bought a true 24/96 card was to be able to record and clean up at the highest resolution possible. I have now had the card for awhile doing nothing special because I couldn't find a program that could record and work on 24/96 files. Now I'll admit I have always looked at lower end programs but as a result I have wasted a few years when I could have been converting my LP's.

I guess I'll take another look at DC6.

If I decisde to go ahead and buy is there a faster way to buy like millenium or am I stuck with waiting for shipment.

[DougMac]

krazykunuck,

I have the Terretec DMX 6Fire card and DC6. I'd urge you to do the upgrade. As you mentioned, DC6 handles 24/96 just fine. In addition, there's enough new features to make the upgrade well worth the expense. My restoration time is split between "serious" projects where the best possible quality is desired and more casual transcription projects where I'm after a CD copy of an out of print LP that will be used for casual listening. The EZ clean filter works great for the latter.

Doug

[Craig Maier]

The problem with direct shipment of DC6 is its hard copy 400 plus page users manual. Thus, we do not generally ship it that we; only via the mails and I think that you really want to have the users manual.

[krazykanuck]

Ok

One last question.
The DC6 demo only allows you to work with 60 second clips. Does that extend to the record function. In other words can I start my recording process with the DC6 demo program wihile I am waiting for the full DC6 program to arrive.

Thanks again.

[rickc]

Yes the demo is also limited on recording as well.

[krazykanuck]

It looks like the demo will record 60 seconds, actually it stopped at about 58 seconds but close enough.
When trying to test the filters it looks like there is a file size limitation not 60 second limitation. I recorded at 24/96 and when playing with the filters playback would stop after about 13 seconds. I already think the 60 second limiatation doesn't really allow you to "test" the program so that kind of sucks.
It would be nice if a try before you buy feature could be implemented in DC6 like in millenium so you can really give the program a workout.

[DougMac]

It looks like the demo will record 60 seconds, actually it stopped at about 58 seconds but close enough.

That's 60 seconds American, 58 seconds Canadian ;-).

Sorry you don't feel that 60 seconds allows you to adequately test the program. Personally, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Doug